Suggestion for a sub-forum

[7thdayprofessor]

Huh? You called yourself a “legal genius” and I was pointing out that “genius” is not legally defined. “Legal genius” is a made up title.

You are correct then.

[Preach]

Can you tell me where your post was deleted?? I dont see any here in this thread..

I see this:

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Apparently it's you that deleted your own posts.

thats what i saw too, he deleted his posts himself... lol.... someone is paranoid

Not paranoid. Not sure what happened then, I obviously fucked up, but you can probably imagine why I got annoyed when my posts were disappearing in front of me when I was mid argument. My bad, I'm not sure what happened then. I don't get why all of a sudden this thread gets four replies, and they're all here to point out my honest mistake, and none actually address the topic at hand. It's obvious I'm riling up your panties, which makes no sense to me, I'm not asking you all to go away. I merely ask that there be a sub forum where people can't just bow out like I've had happen to me when I try to get a person to explain what the fuck they're saying. You have freedom of speech but you don't have the freedom to not receive questions about what you ask, and with the freedom of speech comes the responsibility of what the fuck you choose to say. That concept is obviously lost on some people, and the internet makes it possible to get away with it, but you hardly see that shit in real life. That has real consequences for people. So I want a sub forum where rules are enforced that make it difficult for such people to derail and taint otherwise structured debates, so I know whenever I sink time into a post, it won't just be shat on. I could always never post here and just lurk if that's what you actually want, but then why the fuck do you delete posts to encourage new members to feel welcome? There is no sense in that and you obviously can't explain it in a way that makes sense either, so I'll rest my case that that makes no sense and what's actually going on has to do with friendships, lack of insight and just an old mantra that some people cling to since HitEmUp.com came up with those rules like ten years ago. You don't even understand what they mean or how to actually exectute them well, as demonstrated by what I have described. Can't you just.. I dunno, stop having a personal interest in the moderation you do? If you want to do one big thing to encourage new members, stop treating the forum like your personal space.

The reason I ask for some more structure is pretty much that I've sunk hours into debates where the other person just fucks off or goes "hahahah look how much you care". Let's pretend I'm not Preach, let's pretend I'm opne of those awesome new members you are hoping for. 100% that is off-putting to anyone except the people who want to act that way themselves. Brats, I call them. I don't get why you want to encourage that kind of behavior while on the flipside you delete posts that hardly even had swear words in them. The posts of mine that were deleted (in another thread, not the posts I thought were deleted but turned out it was my mistake) were not full of "fuck you you loser", they were full of reasonable questions that I don't understand the answer to and was asking the other person about to give them a chance to prove me wrong and make some sense. So that certain someone started calling me shit, while I was only calling them ON their shit, and you deleted my post but left his. WHY? No one will answer that. BTW I know the answer so when I ask you can interpret it as provocative. I know no proper answer other than telling me to shup up or being evasive exists. Costs me about 3 carbohydrates to remind you every time I make a post, which I will do until I get kicked. Fuck this shit, I have spent so much time on this place and it's just left a bitter ass fuckin taste in my mouth. That is not meant to be a diss, that is meant to appeal to the person that wants this forum to be a good place. You are failing miserably at the moment, the way I see it. That's honest feedback but do with it what you will.

[Preach]

And everybody that keeps coming here for leaks can also just shut the fuck up. I was a Pac fan long before the unreleased game, and being a Pac fan is about much more that knowing every version of his every song. Most of you people aren't Pac fans, you're old Pac fans that spent so much time organizing and reading about and finding shit about Pac that you can't quite give it a rest because it is basically built into the framework of your brains. You listen to Pac once in a while, you come here, you contribute little other than elitism, and the good people that just wanna celebrate the man's life and for real and not on some fucking childish shit, well there's no room for us apparently. I'll have to leak a rare or something to have a say it seems. Which is.... Yeah, I personally would kick asses and throw people under the bus to have that changed because it's detrimental to the legacy of Pac. But I guess now I'm just a corny motherfucker because fuck feelings right? Nothing I say means anything, when you can use a brush and paint on me a single word. "Paranoid" "corny" "emotional" "weirdest member". Man fuck, try to step back for one second and look at this from my point of view. Only children buy those cheap ass fucking copouts, how can you actually say that shit with a straight face? Unbelievable.

[Preach]

In b4 everyone continuing to not address the issue I bring up and finding some other little detail they can focus in on to not have the discussion.

[Preach]

And bro...Wtf?

Okay fair, you did respond. None of the people I was addressing initially, is what I should have said.

[LabelMeAnOutlaw]

How the fuck do you get so worked up on an online forum that you don't realize you deleted several of your own posts and then accuse mods of doing so? This is truly a first. You have really gone off the deep end. Quit trying to portray yourself as some sophisticated intellectual because the more you post, the more you're revealing yourself not to be.

You want to have that discussion so you can finally shut the fuck up about it? Okay.

I called the cast of producers on AEOM an "all-star" bunch. You disagreed. You say Dr. Dre is the only one that belongs in that category, not the rest on AEOM. Now when I try to tell you that there are different levels of stars, you tell me no that's not possible. When I tell you that when it comes to Hip-Hop... Quik, Daz, Pooh & QD3 at the very least are production stars as they all produced several classics, you tell me Hip-Hop is a tiny box despite Hip-Hop influencing damn near every little crevice of this world. So with that thinking, what do we have left to discuss? We clearly don't agree. People will no doubt disagree with me as people will no doubt disagree with you. I wasn't trying to "pass something off as fact" like you claim. I put my opinion out there on a public discussion forum. I mean damn, where else would you like this to go? Because you dragged it on for no legitimate reason.

Please tell us Mr. Paranoia,

[Preach]

How the fuck do you get so worked up on an online forum that you don't realize you deleted several of your own posts and then accuse mods of doing so?

You have it twisted though. Stop believing your first impulse to be the truth. Why? Because I was pretty high when I was posting, and was doing it on my mobile phone. I dunno how the fuck I hit that button but you probably stumbled a few times in your life so if you have trouble understanding how it happened, look to yourself. It's not difficult and you are not "owning" me with that bullshit if that's what you think. Stop trying to belittle me, you started the mean words. I decided to join in a couple posts later and now all bets are off, but keep in mind, that shit is on YOU. If the mod will undelete those posts that can be shown to anyone that thinks I'm trying to twist shit, so I'm open for that if you and Big GOV are. Go right ahead please.

This is truly a first.You have really gone off the deep end.

First what? Time someone made a mistake? Wrong.
And it's also not the first time someone has decided not to put up with shit on a forum. I told you I've been around for a long time, since back in the HitEmUp days. I first registered on forums in like 2001. I've seen it a lot so you are wrong again. Stop using weak jabs to undermine my points, stick to your good points, it makes you look better. I don't buy bullshit from you or anyone else but I'll listen if you're serious. You cannot possibly mean that no one has ever misposted or misdeleted on a forum, or made other similar mistakes, so I don't know what to do with what you're saying. It's obvious what you are trying to do.

Quit trying to portray yourself as some sophisticated intellectual because the more you post, the more you're revealing yourself not to be.

Why do you think I'm trying to portray myself as something? Do you do that? That's a stupid, unintelligent accusation and again it's pretty obvious to me what you are doing.

You want to have that discussion so you can finally shut the fuck up about it? Okay.

FINALLY! Why the fuck did you wait this long? Stop saying shit if you're not ready to stand for it. Stop running your mouth and being careless. And I'll shut the fuck up for the rest of my life. But keep being a dick and a troll and I'll keep telling you how much of a dick and a troll I think you are.

I called the cast of producers on AEOM an "all-star" bunch. You disagreed. You say Dr. Dre is the only one that belongs in that category, not the rest on AEOM. Now when I try to tell you that there are different levels of stars, you tell me no that's not possible. When I tell you that when it comes to Hip-Hop... Quik, Daz, Pooh & QD3 at the very least are production stars as they all produced several classics, you tell me Hip-Hop is a tiny box despite Hip-Hop influencing damn near every little crevice of this world. So with that thinking, what do we have left to discuss? We clearly don't agree. People will no doubt disagree with me as people will no doubt disagree with you. I wasn't trying to "pass something off as fact" like you claim. I put my opinion out there on a public discussion forum. I mean damn, where else would you like this to go? Because you dragged it on for no legitimate reason.

I didn't say Dr. Dre is the only one that belongs in that category. I said that a better definition than yours would be actuall all-stars, and gave examples of what those might be. Not to tell you what's right, to provoke some deeper thought inside your head about what you actually think, because that's interesting to me - what other people think. You're probably too cool to care about fuckin anything, but so I'm such a loser I actually want to have meaningful interactions with people when I spend my energy on them. I dunno what the fuck you do but it sounds like you're losing out on a lot of what life has to offer. Other than that, I don't really feel like I can say much about the rest of your post. It adds perspective, which is what I wanted from the get go. If you had said that then none of this would be a thing, so yeah. Next time, explain yourself if someone says you're not making sense, don't get all "well fuck you too" about it. Man on man advice that will serve you well regardless of who you are and how you think. Coming from a good place.

Please tell us Mr. Paranoia,

On this occasion it is you. Do you not understand that? Do you think you're funny? I honestly would slap you. I'm not a loser in life no matter how much you want to think that to feel better about being a mouth runner without integrity. Just next time, if you have an opinion, keep it to yourself if you're not ready to stand up for it. That's a man to man advice and the best I can give you. It will actually contribute positively to your life, regardless of our discourse or me.

[Preach]

What do you mean by "all-star"?

I don't think there's enough high end, high profile rap producers to have more than a single all-star team of hip-hop producers on planet earth, lest you water down the symbolism of "a star". And on that team would be like Dr. Dre, Timbaland and people of that order of magnitude. Ie. not all ones favorite Pac producers, but the exceptionally successful leaders of the industry. There aren't that many, really. All or most of the names on your list were small-time then and still are.

I agree that he does sound a little bitter and hungry for some Dre, though.

Here is what I said. Tell me, how does "Dr. Dre, Timbaland and people of that order of magnitude" constitute "only Dr. Dre" in your world? This is what I mean by careless, and this is what annoys me. You're not even checking back to see if you're actually right, you're just going by your feelings or whatever, I dunno. Like read my post again and tell me how I'm full of hate? See the last line? That's me agreeing with you. Your response?

Lol

I wasn't talking mainstream industry mascots that people dickride to death. Everybody that did production on AEOM have a dope production catalog. Have to give them their due regardless of how "small time" you feel they are. They all produced hip-hop classics. That's undeniable. With Pac & without.

Let me guess who else is in this elite "leaders of industry" group of yours... Kanye? Swizz? Pharell? Does that about round out your starting 5 along with Dre & Timbaland? You the type to think that Beats by Dre are the best headphones on the market, huh? Feel free to stop me when I've made too many assumptions.

Do you see how you are already trying to belittle my taste and undermine my point by playing on "mainstream producers are crap" as if that even means shit? What if those were my favorites? Still has nothing to do with what I said. What do you think I meant when I said "order of magnitude"? Their physical size as in how many atoms they consist of? It's obviously their level of fame, which can be measured in many ways. One would be album sales, another would be Facebook followers. I did not suggest which we should go for, merely started the discussion that maybe "all-star" means something else and what you mean is "my favorites". You just could not deal with that and so became hostile in your next post.

Get this: you turn hostile because someone thinks you are wrong. And I'm the one who is, what were your words, really gone off the deep end? Man, fuck you. For real.

[LabelMeAnOutlaw]

I always have to laugh when someone online threatens to get physical. I eagerly await the day technology gets to the point where you can stick your arm through a screen and strangle the person talking shit on the other side. So stop with the slap talk you keyboard coward. You don't believe your own bullshit. Slap yourself for putting so much energy into an argument on an online forum. "So nobody has ever made a mistake?" Nice way of twisting what I said. Nobody has deleted their own shit and then accused moderators of being the ones to do it. Prior to that you couldn't even interpret a very simple post and accused a mod of telling you to fuck off. And again with describing what you're doing while posting ("I was high"). The shit is pathetic. Please, do yourself a favor and stop already. I'm getting head from your mother as I type this. See how easy that is? Quit the excuses you overemotional fuck.

[Preach]

I always have to laugh when someone online threatens to get physical. I eagerly await the day technology gets to the point where you can stick your arm through a screen and strangle the person talking shit on the other side. So stop with the slap talk you keyboard coward. You don't believe your own bullshit. Slap yourself for putting so much energy into an argument on an online forum. "So nobody has ever made a mistake?" Nice way of twisting what I said. Nobody has deleted their own shit and then accused moderators of being the ones to do it. Prior to that you couldn't even interpret a very simple post and accused a mod of telling you to fuck off. And again with describing what you're doing while posting ("I was high"). The shit is pathetic. Please, do yourself a favor and stop already. I'm getting head from your mother as I type this. See how easy that is? Quit the excuses you overemotional fuck.

You have a real pottymouth, you know.

I don't threaten you to get physical. I'm a decent person. When I get this mad it's usually warranted. It's meant to demonstrate to you how unreasonable you are being. We both know I couldn't actually slap you so that's obviously off the table.

You are quite obviously a huge dick, and whenever you can concede to a good point you opt to turn into an asshole instead. Gl hf.

Also, my mother's dead, so thanks.

[LabelMeAnOutlaw]

Lol how did I see that response coming?

Guy, we have no problem. This is over. Should've been over.

[7thdayprofessor]

Huh? You called yourself a “legal genius” and I was pointing out that “genius” is not legally defined. “Legal genius” is a made up title.

You are correct then.

What I meant, is that I am legally registered as falling into a certain demographic. Throw a little humility in there, and some street slang, and it becomes a "legal genius". Im a firm believer that anyone trying to prove intelligence or lack thereof, based off someones punctuation, proper spelling of words, or terminology, lacks both humility themselves, and is simply nit picking for arguments sake. I should be able to spell and pronounce what I want, how I want, and it takes nothing away from my ability to pride myself, in public or not, on my level of intelligence. Theres a huge difference between a narcissist, and a confident person. And personally, I love using slang, and using terminology that is not accepted as canonical.

Slang, and intentional misuse or twisting of words, is a huge part, and I mean huge part, of me as a person. Before hip hop was widespread, in the early 90s in new york, when the legends about the ghosts in the street lamps were still common, we did nothing but create new terminology, and chill outside the corner store bodegas, or hang on broken down church steps, speaking in slang, and using improper terminology.

Aka, unless my actual definitions are wrong, or my literal understanding of something, is wrong, then there should be no issue with how I type or speak. I feel bad for anyone who feels they can not be confident of themselves in public, and twist lingo, at the same time. There is nothing out there that states use of slang equates to a lack of intelligence.

Henceforth, I am intelligent, and I will always bear a stigma, placed on me by the simple minded. So fuck it. Yes, im a legal genius. Now please proceed to criticize my posts, as well as assess my intelligence, by my punctuation and terminology.

[Preach]

Cool, so back on topic then. A sub-forum where some kind of order is imposed to ensure good discussion.

I will gladly post in only that sub forum and leave you lot alone everywhere else on the forum. It's like everything stays the same, but I disappear, and you get one more tiny, little leg to stand on. Maybe some people that are feeling frustrated with the level of discussion decide to join in. At worst, it'll just stay there dead, with only me posting in it. It's a win-win for everyone.

[7thdayprofessor]

Lol how did I see that response coming?

Guy, we have no problem. This is over. Should've been over.

Not necessarily. I am actually enjoying this conversation. It is different from the norm. If you two want to keep throwing jabs, feel free. Im just enjoying the debate, as well as everyone, even DJ comas, input. Its about time something of substance was discussed. Its been a hot minute.

[7thdayprofessor]

Cool, so back on topic then. A sub-forum where some kind of order is imposed to ensure good discussion.

I will gladly post in only that sub forum and leave you lot alone everywhere else on the forum. It's like everything stays the same, but I disappear, and you get one more tiny, little leg to stand on. Maybe some people that are feeling frustrated with the level of discussion decide to join in. At worst, it'll just stay there dead, with only me posting in it. It's a win-win for everyone.

Im pretty sure that they dont have the ability to create a sub forum. Not 100% positive, but im fairly sure. The forum is stuck in its current format.