Moderating offensive language

[Proletarian]

Political correctness (adjectivally: politically correct; commonly abbreviated PC) is a term used to describe language, policies, or measures that are intended to avoid offense or disadvantage to members of particular groups in society.

I believe there is nothing wrong with being PC, but like everything, it can be taken too far. The context in which words are used is what matters, not the words themselves.

plus we all know that "nixxa" if hip hop fans use it dont use it as "nixxER" meaning not in a derogatory way.

For example, in the past month on this forum, I used the word 'nixxER' (and learned that it is censored here) and the term 'white trash' when referring to the way that police think about working class people while they are doing their job. The police have to belittle (or think less of) working class people to justify arresting or killing them etc., otherwise they have to acknowledge that they themselves are assholes (and people don't like to think of themselves as assholes).

This is the type of context in which I think it is wrong to use certain words: when they are used to belittle/insult a person or groups of people without any real justification.


There is another context where I don't like certain words being used. For example, when we call straight people 'fags etc.' as a means to belittle them (the straight people). Like it or not, even if we are for gay rights or whatever, this is (unconsciously) suggesting that gay people are less 'human' so to speak. We don't need to unconsciously belittle a whole category of people to insult someone else. This would be like me calling a white person that I don't like a nixxER as a means to insult them; even if I am not racist, this is not good in my opinion.

im not saying its alright to say n word but im saying it aint right they call whites "cracka" "devil" etc. and nobody bets an eye.

Who are 'they'..?

I don't believe that the terms 'cracker' or 'white devils' are generally used to refer to white people as a whole, but to certain categories of white people (the racist ones, or those who feel superior to other people). When I hear these terms in hip hop, I don't feel like anybody is referring to me (or anybody who does not deserve it), so why should I 'bat an eye'?

[davida7]

I always thought it is weird that some people can't say a certain something because of skin color. If 'black' people are offended if 'white' people says 'nigga' then they shouldn't be saying it either. Privilege to using words shouldn't be based on skin color, in my eyes thats a form of racism because you basically say you can't do this or that BECAUSE of skin color. If it is so bad then just stop using the word altogether.

[MrMind]

This whole time I've been in this forum, and I have never read anything about encouraging to say the Word. Did I miss something?

[RoyalPurple]

This whole time I've been in this forum, and I have never read anything about encouraging to say the Word. Did I miss something?

double standards

[Husxle]

I always thought it is weird that some people can't say a certain something because of skin color. If 'black' people are offended if 'white' people says 'nigga' then they shouldn't be saying it either. Privilege to using words shouldn't be based on skin color, in my eyes thats a form of racism because you basically say you can't do this or that BECAUSE of skin color. If it is so bad then just stop using the word altogether.

Amen.

[Husxle]

This whole time I've been in this forum, and I have never read anything about encouraging to say the Word. Did I miss something?

No one is encouraging. I was just telling Preach that everyone has the right to say w/e the hell they want.

[jackcorgi]

I think it's all about the "hide posts from..." button,tho I seem to have forgotten where it is,lol.
I think everyone has reached a point where we had to hit that button because of some annoying member at one time or another.

[RoyalPurple]

if i say "you jew" to a jew.

and then i say "you french" to a french person

will i get the same response?

ofc not. why?
[MENTION=15439]Husxle [MENTION=13334]Proletarian



think about it.

[PainIsLove4Thugz]

if i say "you jew" to a jew.

and then i say "you french" to a french person

will i get the same response?

ofc not. why?
[MENTION=15439]Husxle [MENTION=13334]Proletarian



think about it.

[Proletarian]

if i say "you jew" to a jew.

and then i say "you french" to a french person

will i get the same response?

ofc not. why?
[MENTION=15439]Husxle [MENTION=13334]Proletarian



think about it.

Context always matters. Is this the full sentence/conversation?

Why would you say to someone, "you jew/french"? Is it a question?



Isn't it a bit prejudice to assume that you know how every Jewish or French person will respond to this question?

Replace the word Jew with white and French with black and tell me why the response will be different? Or does this thought exercise only work with Jewish/French people?

[djukak]

What I can say is that insults are not tolerated. But of course something can be overseen. That's why there is a report button.

[Dominator]

Tupac had no problem when Tim Roth called him ''nigga'' in Gridlock'd, so it's alright!!!11

lol on a serious note though, I'm not defending this but I can't remember a single black dude here that ever felt bothered by it. Whenever this becomes an issue it's always a white guy that's bothered by it. Pretty weird.

Also, it appears to be an attempt of sabotage by creating this thread in the sub-forums where new members are being welcomed. Even though the thread has been moved you still can see the thread title. I think that's lame. 2pac forum doesn't consist of wiggers and we certainly don't encourage them to say "nigga".

[RoyalPurple]

playing the victim brings benefits in many aspects

[Preach]

lol on a serious note though, I'm not defending this but I can't remember a single black dude here that ever felt bothered by it. Whenever this becomes an issue it's always a white guy that's bothered by it. Pretty weird.

And whenever someone says something like this, it's always another white person. "Weird", I could say, or I could, you know, not be an asshole and an idiot, and actually understand the thing. Have you ever known me even a little? We have been on this scene for like 20 years together. When was I ever false? The only false thing I ever did was pass on a UCBT 5 second clip I got from Dante, because I was a child and was so excited and pumped, not because I was trying to play dubious games. Beyond that, name a single occurrence, a single "beef" I had with an idividual and not an idea, throught my 20 years. I'll wait.

lAlso, it appears to be an attempt of sabotage by creating this thread in the sub-forums where new members are being welcomed. Even though the thread has been moved you still can see the thread title. I think that's lame. 2pac forum doesn't consist of wiggers and we certainly don't encourage them to say "nigga".

And because of what I said above, this is just wack. Okay, believe what you want, says more about you than about me, but you should save the "that's lame" until you know that your assumption is the truth. It was an honest mistake and you are talking out of yoru ass, and honestly, how the fuck would I know that about the forum software lmao? I have never been a forum moderator other than the cute little freePhP boards I tried to set up for my djrizzle.com website like a decade ago But alright, anyobody that knows me this way can chime in and confirm your suspicions about me, I guess...

What are you defending btw? You defending white people's right to say "nigga"? Cause you said in your post that you don't support it, so what then, you just had to come and point out to me how weird it is that I'm white and offended by this? What makes you even think I'm offended? You don't get the thing I'm trying to do at all, but let me remind you again, I'm the guy that wants the quality of communication in this place to improve, because I find it lacking in many areas currently. Because I come here, want to come here, and like to come here. I'm not sure what's so hard to understand, I would also react if someone was coming into every thread writing out a block of cuss words.

And for people that don't undetrstand how it's encourage, Jesus Christ already. If the police don't arrest criminals then that would mean that crime is encouraged. In the same way that rape is encouraged if no one speaks out against it. Or rather, it's a common human trait and if not discouraged, it will happen prominently, that's another way to think about it. Encouragement doesn't have to be a poster of Uncle Sam pointing at YOU. It can be the silent majority. And when I say "can", I mean, whenever a majority remains silent about something, the minority will interpret that as indirect encouragement. Don't take the "can" as me not being sure, or " this is what I THINK". It's an inarguable fact that that happens. I mean. Are you people dim or do you just like getting away with shit yourself?

The most wack part about this, man, is that I've seen you make similar "speak-out" posts about issues that you believe in before. So I know you're capable of caring about principles. But then you throw me under the bus as a "white guy" even though I've been on the scene just as long as you, tackling the same identity issues that comes with being white european and listening to hip-hop as you. You must be smarter than everybody? Or just smarter than me? Or just a vindictive prick that likes to make people into like single-thought entities that you can spit on for self-gratification? I don't know why you have to tell me I'm white and what I'm doing is weird, when you have to add that you also don't support the thing I speak out against. Hatred for your own people? Were you bullied by your peers a lot? I don't get it man. Honestly, it's weird that you're a weirdo going around saying you think things are weird. Why can't we just leave the personal out of things? How old are you again, cause I'm 34 by now.

[Preach]

No one is encouraging. I was just telling Preach that everyone has the right to say w/e the hell they want.

Can you go up to a secret service guard outside the white house and say that you are having the president's entrails for dinner today and just walk away? Ya think???

You can't say w/e the hell you want. Where the fuck did you get that idea from? Is that how you personally think things should be, or are you saying that's how things actually are? Because that's not how things actually are, and for actual reasons that you apparently show no understanding for. You have totally misinterpreted not only the judicial on freedom of speech, but the very principle at the bottom even. The idea is not that you can say whatever you want. That was never the idea with freedom of speech. The idea is to spare free thinking from tyranny. That has nothing to do with your interpretation of the concept, which seems to be something like "if shutting up is inconvenient or you simply don't want to, then don't".