BPM fixing

[D-Ace]

[MENTION=369]Nikola

Some songs, mostly old 1's dont have a perfect BPM, is there a tool or someway to get this corrected quickly? for example if its around 80 bpm, i want it 2 be exactly 80 bpm, the drums exactly lined up? I can do it with chopping n stretching n shit but it can take some time so i was wondering if theres any tools for this

[HAL 9000]

you should be able to change the bpm by changing the tempo?

thats what i use when i do my mixes...



maybe im not understanding the question.. lol..

[D-Ace]

^nah im talkin about something else, i want a perfect bpm for some old samples sometimes the snares etc dont line up perfectly because its live recorded without a metronome i guess..

[HAL 9000]

oh.. i know what your talking about... you talking about the live play not being exact with every "hit"

i dont think there is much you can do besides cut and paste n sht... you could try changing the tempo in different areas of the loop too.. but that may create some snapping...

[D-Ace]

^yeah i can do that, takes some time though, so i was wondering if theres any tools for it

[JackV]

acid pro to cut is all i can think of, the fades and shit is a fucking walk in the park so u dont get the ticks. thats what i do, and its still a pain in the ass.

if there is a way to sort this fucking problem then ill kiss u

[HAL 9000]

there is no way around it unless you make the beat around the sample... like manually put stuff over spots the sample...

[JackV]

there is no way around it unless you make the beat around the sample... like manually put stuff over spots the sample...

ewwwww...

this is why i fkin hate samples

[HAL 9000]

or of course cuting the sample down and putting gaps n sht like i said before...

just blame the original drummers for hitting off beat!!! hhhahaahha

[DJ Mick]

oh.. i know what your talking about... you talking about the live play not being exact with every "hit"

i dont think there is much you can do besides cut and paste n sht... you could try changing the tempo in different areas of the loop too.. but that may create some snapping...

is there a way to avoid snapping?
cause i got the snapping problem often ....

[HAL 9000]

is there a way to avoid snapping?
cause i got the snapping problem often ....

it depends on where the snapping is and whats causing it...

sometimes snapping happens because its amped up too much and another is when a frequency is suddenly cut... there are more but these are the most common..


could you give me and example?

[D-Ace]

im talkin about this

Example 1

The 2 bar sample loops perfectly, as u can see on the waveform the snares arent exactly on the lines, it should be lined up like the lil blocks under the sample



Example 2

Here i speeded up the sample abit, now the last 2 snares are kinda on the line but the first 2 arent, and now the timing of the sample is fucked up again.



of course i can chop the sample and stretch the individual parts 2 match the lines perfectly but thats a pain in the ass sometimes, if i have a sample and i wanna use like 24 bars of it and the timings off then it takes quite some time

[HAL 9000]

@dace.... yea... there is just no way for a program to be able to do that man... lol.. its all gotta be done manually... programs will just be able to line as many of them as they can but again your gonna have random snares that are off in big loops....

live play is the hardest thing to sample because of this problem... and thats also why its harder to loop older beats with live basslines then it is to loop todays computer beats because a lot of stuff is different...

[D-Ace]

^yeah true, i did see someone do this in pro tools but he had the whole master reel 2 a song, and did it on individual drum tracks like snares, kicks etc. but yeah i guess it wont be possible on a normal track

[DJ T.O.B]

it depends on where the snapping is and whats causing it...

sometimes snapping happens because its amped up too much and another is when a frequency is suddenly cut... there are more but these are the most common..


could you give me and example?

i got the snapping problem aswell when i cut a frequency
see here:

is there a way to avoid snapping or a way to remove it later?
ur help would be appreciated so much, im often working with guitar playings and the guitar players usually dont keep the same tempo so i have to do cutting and change the tempo, id love if you could help me here man
thx in advance & peace, tobi